- 10 Sep 2017
- #1
BobnLesley
Well-known member
We're about to order a new propeller shaft and a chap in the boatyard's suggested that if we got it made an inch or so shorter and fitted an R&D flexible coupling, then the world would be wonderful; but what do you actually gain/achieve by fitting one of these things? I'm told they're more forgiving with reagard to engine alignment? Also that they'll reduce noise & vibration; from where, the shaft rather thean the engine/gearbox I'm assuming? Surely there can't be that much noise/vibration coming from the prop & shaft?
I'm also concerned that fitting a flexible coupling at the front would reduce support to the shaft, around mideay along the shafts length we have a stuffing box, mounted on the end of a flexible tube, if the front end of the shaft's felxing too, don't I risk disturbing that?
- 10 Sep 2017
- #2
Daverw
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Just done the exact same thing, shortened the new shaft I was fitting by 35mm and fitted the R&D coupling, still aligned it close but the noise levels are lower and shaft does not move at all. Seems well worth doing it and from my engineering background sound practice. The only issue I now have is that the stern tube to coupling space would limit options for future shaft seal options as most need more than the 130mm I now have
- 10 Sep 2017
- #3
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john_morris_uk
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Even better is to install a pair of couplings and a thrust bearing like the ones Halyard Marine sell. We fitted one and the noise transmission to the hull is almost totally eliminated. With some careful sound insulation it is possible to make a REALLY quiet engine installation.
I've no interest in Halyard Marine except as a customer.
- 10 Sep 2017
- #4
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scottie
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The R&D coupling could be seen as a win win as you gain the advantages of its flexibility without the drawbacks.
- 10 Sep 2017
- #5
aquaplane
Active member
I have an R&D flexible coupling on Seminole, if you take it out and try to bend it you won't. OK it's more flexible than steel, but it's all a matter of degrees. Alignment is still critical.
- 10 Sep 2017
- #6
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PCUK
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R&D couplings have little effect on vibration but protect the stern gear in the event of propeller strike. Very precise alignment is required to ensure smooth running. Centaflex couplings are very expensive and like the Halyard couplings offer huge reductions in vibration.
- 10 Sep 2017
- #7
Daverw
Well-known member
R&D do seam to point out that their coupling is to stop small vibrations and shaft movement fore and aft not for miss alignment which from its design you can see. It does reduce any sharp thrust loads on the gear box
- 11 Sep 2017
- #8
Plum
Well-known member
BobnLesley said:
We're about to order a new propeller shaft and a chap in the boatyard's suggested that if we got it made an inch or so shorter and fitted an R&D flexible coupling, then the world would be wonderful; but what do you actually gain/achieve by fitting one of these things? I'm told they're more forgiving with reagard to engine alignment? Also that they'll reduce noise & vibration; from where, the shaft rather thean the engine/gearbox I'm assuming? Surely there can't be that much noise/vibration coming from the prop & shaft?
I'm also concerned that fitting a flexible coupling at the front would reduce support to the shaft, around mideay along the shafts length we have a stuffing box, mounted on the end of a flexible tube, if the front end of the shaft's felxing too, don't I risk disturbing that?
Why bother if you have not had one for many years and do not have a problem?
- 11 Sep 2017
- #9
Poey50
Well-known member
Having searched through the archives on the use of R and D flexible couplings it is not always clear if those advocating them are abiding by the two-out-of three guideline (one of engine mounts, coupling, stern tube needing to be non-flexible).
I understand that they don't introduce much additional flexibility and so those with flexible engine mounts, a Volvo-type stern gland and cutlass bearing in a P bracket have sometimes used them. It would be interesting to hear of experiences - good, bad and indifferent - from those who have broken the guideline.
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- 11 Sep 2017
- #10
Minchsailor
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+1 for the Centeflex. Notably reduction in noise and vibration. Less stress on the stern gland mounting.
- 11 Sep 2017
- #11
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Spyro
Well-known member
I had a sort of resonating sound from my drive train. Fitting an R&D coupling removed it. I didn't need to shorten the shaft. just pushed it a bit further into the coupling and drilled a new dimple in the shaft where the retaining bolt is.
- 11 Sep 2017
- #12
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scottie
Well-known member
R&D appears to be the exception to the 2/3 rule
You still need to line them up as you would a solid coupling.
Might be worth carrying either a spare or a distance piece if cruising in distant locations?
- 11 Sep 2017
- #13
Poey50
Well-known member
scottie said:
R&D appears to be the exception to the 2/3 rule
Can I just check if this is from direct experience?
- 11 Sep 2017
- #14
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scottie
Well-known member
Yes from a professional perspective we supplied many successful installation using R&D discs.
- 11 Sep 2017
- #15
Poey50
Well-known member
scottie said:
Yes from a professional perspective we supplied many successful installation using R&D discs.
Great ... thank you.
- 12 Sep 2017
- #16
Poey50
Well-known member
I've just spoken to R and D Marine about their flexible couplings and the two-out-of-three rule. Their advice is that you can use their coupling with a Volvo-type shaft seal (and flexible engine mounts and a cutlass bearing / P bracket) as long as the distance between the flexible coupling and the cutlass bearing does not exceed 30 times the diameter of the shaft. So in my case, with a 1" diameter shaft, the distance must not be greater than 2 feet 6 inches. If it does exceed this then they recommend the additional use of a 'half-cutlass' in the stern tube.
- 27 Sep 2017
- #17
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BelleSerene
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scottie said:
R&D appears to be the exception to the 2/3 rule
You still need to line them up as you would a solid coupling.
Might be worth carrying either a spare or a distance piece if cruising in distant locations?
What, pray, is the 2/3 or 'two out of three' rule?
I am looking at installing an R&D flexible coupling as part of the war I just declared on engine/ shaft vibration. Vibration is much lower when running at speed in neutral than at speed in gear.
Aware of the need to check engine mountings first. Boat is 39' Beneteau with Yanmar, 30mm (I think) shaft, rubber cutless bearing, Featherstream folding prop, Ambassador rope stripper.
- 27 Sep 2017
- #18
Amulet
Active member
My single cylinder engine dances around like mad when it is running. I think it would do untold damage without a flexible coupling. It broke one coupling and I was advised that I needed one bigger and more flexible on account of the fact that I was driving my boat with a "cement mixer engine". I'm ashamed to say I can't remember the detail, but it did involve an R&D coupling with an atypical spec and an atypical price.
- 27 Sep 2017
- #19
Poey50
Well-known member
BelleSerene said:
What, pray, is the 2/3 or 'two out of three' rule?
1. Gearbox to shaft coupling
2. Shaft seal
3. Engine mount
Two out of three of these can be flexible but not all three otherwise you could get terminal wobbliness. (I'm not an engineer.) On my boat the shaft seal and engine mounts are flexible so ordinarily the gearbox to shaft coupling must be rigid. However according to R & D it is possible to use their flexible coupling as long as the distance between the shaft coupling and cutlass bearing does not exceed x30 the diameter of the shaft.
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- 27 Sep 2017
- #20
alahol2
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Poey50 said:
1. Gearbox to shaft coupling
2. Shaft seal
3. Cutlass bearing
I think that should be engine mounts as No 3, not cutless bearing. I've never seen a 'flexible' cutless bearing mount.
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